SPEAKER_00 0:00

And welcome, welcome everyone. You're listening to iTalk 1067 FM, the voice of the mountain. I'm your host, Janine Ford. In today's show, wow, we got a lot of stuff. We're having an update from uh rancher Casey Murph on his ranch, Robert Black, councilman out in Holbrook. I've got Donna Waschek on the phone, all three of these people are on the phone to give us some updates on the problems with the wind turbines and the renewables. And in this um segment, we're gonna be talking about how the County Board of Supervisors at this meeting coming up Tuesday is going to be talking about a bunch of tax increases for us. Um in Navajo County. And uh that's gonna be a big one. That's coming up next. But first, let's get welcome guys. How are you doing today first?

SPEAKER_03 0:45

Good morning, great, goodness.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Good to have you. All right. Let's start with Casey Murph. Um, rancher Casey Murph, you got a lot of attention all over. I saw you on Fox News, I saw you everywhere about your ranch uh c and and basically it being threatened by these renewables, correct?

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Yeah, yeah, that's right. They have uh been attempting to have my state leases transferred over to their use for the installation of a utility scale solar complex.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Wow, okay. So what happened after all these stories? First, it was um Eli Crane that reached out, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:26

Well, it was almost completely simultaneous. I got reached out to in the same day by Eli Crane's staff as well as John Rich, who a lot of people may uh have heard of the band Big and Rich. Well, John Rich is now a special envoy working for the for the president, underneath Secretary Brooke Rollins, as a uh bas basically an advocate for agricultural interests who are experiencing lawfare of some kind within the United States.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Wow, that's incredible. So then you got a call from her, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

I did. I've received a couple of phone calls directly from Brooke Rollins offering support and help.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Okay. So do you have any good news yet? They're still working on it, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:19

I don't really have anything concrete. I have been told by Secretary Rollins that she has had some discussions with uh Governor Hobbes and that the discussions were productive and she felt like she has moved forward with them, but I haven't gotten anything concrete that I can really bank on yet.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Now we know other ranchers are threatened, and some of them are afraid to even come on radio and talk about it, like they're try they're just keeping their head under, you know, underwater a little bit for right now, being quiet. But uh, do you think this will help other ranchers if you receive some help?

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Well, th that's what I'm hoping to do here. You know, of course I'm trying to save my operation, but I want to be able to help all of the ranchers to stay in business in my part of northern Arizona, as well as everybody else in the country who is uh facing these kinds of issues.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

And Robert Black, um, you're up there in Holbrook, and what are your thoughts on all of this watching these renewables threaten our lands?

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Well, it's the same as we've discussed before, Janine. It just it's got everybody worried, and as long as as long as this goes on, they're getting more and more worried. I mean, uh going around here talking to them, I mean, some of them already sold land years ago that they could put these uh renewables on and then come to find out now they're worried that uh that these people want more because the projects are getting bigger.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Bigger and bigger.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

It is, and so it's got them pretty worried up here.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

And Donna uh yes, Donna, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

I was gonna say, let's have uh Casey reiterate what has happened with his land so that the listeners can understand. Uh up in Perkins Valley, I believe he is, Mr. Murph. Uh explain what happened with the solar trend coming in and the land leases, because we need to bring people up to uh speed that are listeners that haven't heard the story on the 8th of May when we were with you.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Okay. Uh in the past four years I have been dealing with uh solar conglomerates trying to take control of all of my state lease land, my grazing land that my family's had for uh you know since 1904. They've been trying to get control of that to turn it all into utilities solar complexes. And you know, in my case, i if this happens, it puts me out of business because I'm not a big operation, I can't stand to lose very much without not being able to sustain my operation. Right. Uh it's it's been an on ongoing thing since 2022, and it has recently amped up when a new company called Orsted, which is uh a Denmark-owned company, has uh made the most recent application to have these state leases given over to them.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

And the thing is too, Katie Hobbs is jumping on this, and then our board local boards of supervisors are in with Katie Hobbs and the state landsperson to do all of this. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Well, that's that is something that I have just recently started to learn the the scope of uh the fact that our county supervisors started putting advertisements out overseas, inviting these these global conglomerates, and they basically and just offered a my my ranch land that I depend on to them without talking to me, without you know, trying to work out some way that I might be compensated for for being put out of business, none of that. And and some of the people who are on the county board of supervisors are people whose family my family has known for over a hundred years, and I've been neighbors with them. Like the writings, you know. I take it as a pretty deep betrayal that they would do this to me.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Yeah, it's very sad, and it's all about the big almighty daughter dollar is what it is. That's the sad part. And you know, and and I just want to say the other uh really crazy thing, they are only taxing these renewables at twenty percent of their value for property taxes, right? And and their big push is saying, oh, it's you're gonna ruin our schools. Like the proposition, the citizens ordinance that's out there right now, you'll ruin our schools if you sign this. It has nothing to do with that. Our schools are in gr we have great schools up here, but then the other thing is they're not gonna pay. In Oklahoma and Texas, they spent more suing for property taxes after these uh you know, foreign companies bankrupt, which they do within about two years or they leave them within two years. They sued more for the property taxes than they ever got in property taxes. The lawsuits cost them that much. So 20 percent of their value they are taxed at for property values, and yet the Board of Supervisors is having a meeting this coming Tuesday to discuss new taxes, is that right?

SPEAKER_03 7:17

That's right. They're wanting the a four percent tax on the Navajo County flood district, they're wanting a two point two percent tax on the uh library district, and then there's two more taxes in there that they want.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Whoa.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

So it it's kind of crazy. Uh, when all these renewables were they were supposed to be so great for us that you know they were gonna pay into all this stuff. Well, I don't know where that money went.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Right. And we hear that we have a big surplus with our county. I'm not sure what all that money is about, but the whole thing is is that so guys, taxes going up possibly, four different kinds of taxes. So you're gonna want to maybe attend to this coming Tuesday's meeting, right, Donna?

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Yes, 9 a.m. at the Navajo County Complex is the um second and fourth Tuesday at the Navajo County Complex in Holberg on Code Talker Way. And it's uh three minutes at call to the public. You can speak your mind, and uh you basically just need to fill out a request-to-speak form before you go in the meeting. And if you want to call and have any questions, uh you can call me and I can fill you in on how it works, uh 928-242-3527, and I can help you out, uh, get you dialed in and come and join us. They see our faces almost every two weeks. We're there, we're there, we're there for two years. We've been fighting to try to make sure that there's guardrails for uh ordinances with these winds and solar and uh battery storage, data centers, all of it. And uh they just uh say thank you for your time, thank you for your time. And as m uh Mr. Ruf was saying, uh they they have an economic development department that's an actual outside entity. They don't even have it under the auspices of Navajo County. When you click on economic development link on the Navajo County website, it goes to the Real A Z, and it's an acronym, R-E-A-L-A-Z, which is run by the Economic Development Director for Navajo County, Chris Pastors, and on the board is Navajo County Supervisor Jason Whiting, and promotion of that Real A Z, economic development arm, supposedly, of Navajo County is uh is Darrell Seymour doing videos, but who is a the chairman of the board of supervisors. But they and they they're a nonprofit outside the entity of the town of the Navajo County government. And it's like this like left hand's not talking to the right hand, they're taking in money. I think they have about $700,000 in a bank account. They spent $25,000 taking out an ad in the London Times to advertise for people to come in and look at Arizona, look at northern Arizona, look at Navajo and Apache County, because that's the economic development arm that overdo both of those trying to promote them.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

For the giant wind and solar, yeah. Now, um uh I want to ask you, I'm gonna ask each of you, uh, Robert Black, I'll ask you about uh you know and Donna, all of you guys, uh you know, the White Mountain Border Realtors came out totally panicked and against this, you know, because now they're saying people don't want to live near these things, right? And all that. Does you know, are you surprised that they weren't they're not warning buyers, they're not telling people what's going on, that it's been so quiet. Does it feel like it's been kind of quiet and possibly a little underhanded to you? Robert, let's start with you.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

Yeah, I don't I don't think they were real truthful coming out on all this stuff, but I think people are just not catching on because they're for a while they thought it was just talk. Now they're starting to see these things being built all over the place. And they're starting to realize now who wants to come into this area? What what's gonna happen to my property values now? And and that's what we've all got to look at down the road here is your property your property's gonna diminish. And uh well, we're not gonna we're not gonna end up near where these renewables say they were gonna help us. They're they're they will hurt us more than they've ever helped us.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah. And Donno, how do you feel about this one?

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Well, we were we filed for two citizens initiatives last week. I'm sure you've been covering that on your station and your program. Uh, and if people have questions again, they can call me about those and sign a petition. Um but uh one thing that kind of was simultaneous last week when we were in the Navajo County Elections Office getting the serial numbers for the two initiatives, um, the White Mountain Association of Realtors sent a letter uh to them, uh the government, and said, we are completely oppose this wind solar data center and uh battery storage because it is diminishing the value of land and people do not want to be buying and the houses that are next to these things, what maybe were valued at, you know, let's just say 500,000 are for a small ranch, you know, now nobody wants to buy it, and these people can't. I mean, it's so it's eating into and digging into the the you know the the the money that people can make as a realtor up here because who wants to live with a scenery of you know a field of these now newly approved another 144 700 foot story 700 foot wind turbines. Sorry, that's a 70-story building equivalent.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

And they get and they get to come in and pay their you know taxes at 20 percent of their value when all of us pay our hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Right. So here's a ranch that nobody wants to buy. Oh, so these developers potentially, I'm not saying it's happening, but pfft now they look, and maybe Mr. Black, you know, they look and say, Oh, here's here's the uh the the you know the Murph ranch, and he can't get any money for his anymore, so they're just gonna snatch it up at a low price and add some more solar panels. I mean it's just like this big, huge snowball.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Yeah, yeah. And uh and they'll all be coming quicker. Casey Murph, um, you know, you said that also you got contacted by uh the the Biggs group and every of that, and Andy Biggs has talked about our food security. And I've talked to Wink Kraigler about this at X Diamond Ranch. She's terrified we have less mama cows than we had in the 50s, you know what I mean? And um and with them covering up, uh what are your thoughts for all ranchers and our food security?

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Well, one thing that I think a lot of the public didn't know when all this started, and people are just beginning to figure out now, is the amount of land that this whole transition toward wind and solar is going to take to be effective. I I think a lot of people thought it was going to be fairly limited. There was a study that was done, it's a peer-reviewed study, that came to the conclusion that in order to transition the United States into what they call renewables, it's gonna require 266,000 square miles of land to be taken out of ag production and put into this renewable stuff. And so that means this county is gonna be completely covered in it if they keep going with this, right? It's not gonna be just me down here by Holebrook or the folks over there uh, you know, near Concho. It's it's the entire Navajo and Apache and Apache County corridor is ha gonna get completely covered in this stuff. You know, it's gonna affect a lot of ranchers and a lot of property owners. And matter of fact, it's gonna affect us all.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Yeah, it's that's that's the biggest thing, is is the sad part of what are we gonna eat? And then you go back to what's his name that was trying to make fake foods. Maybe that was that that was the reason for that. You know what I mean? And uh our ranchers, our farmers, and yet uh that we we have spent how many years did everybody spend trying to beg for some ordinances and some planning and zoning on this in this county in like Navajo and Apache. That's been going on what, Donna, for a couple years?

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Two years ago, we went to one uh public uh hearing. It was kind of uh an invitation to the public to come over to Hebrew and talk to Blue Earth out of, I believe, uh Holland, uh, but via Canada, uh, who was you know whining and dining and had some barbecue, and there was Chris Pasteur's up at the front of the room. The room was packed with angry people uh and listening, a session it was called somewhat. It was but it was sponsored by them. And it was just the top of my head unzipped, and all this information just went in, and I was just absolutely flabbergasted that this was happening. And I so that was my wake-up call.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

So, two years and two years ago, I'm sorry, but two years ago, everybody was asking just for maybe a mile set setback. Some places have four and five mile setbacks, okay, from their personal property. And what we've heard is they say, since when do the rub like do people tell us what to do on our own land? I'm not talking about that. In Mesa, my house, I can't put a six-story building on there. I'm not allowed to. It's called planning and zoning. It's called uh smart development planning and protecting all of your people. But the little people, people with normal houses, and and that's the problem is that and the rancher that doesn't have a lot of money to squeeze through, there there's no one's getting any protections. And so our after years of begging, our Board of Supervisors gave us nothing. But we did find that as seven other counties put ordinances in and put some rules. So we kind of mirrored what Coachie's did. And they are not being sued for it. It's very minimal, it's it's it's conservative, but it gives some protections. And that's what we've got going on right now. Right, Donna?

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yes, the two citizens' initiatives are being circulated as we speak. If you need information about them, we can give that maybe at the end. I'll do a list of where people can go to sign the petitions. Uh, we have events, we have offices sponsoring petitions. Uh Navajo County registered voters right now is the are the only people who can sign them. Uh but we need 7,000 signatures, which we are questioning because when we were told that when we filed for the initiative serial numbers last week, and um the sheriffs were called in, which was interesting. Um, but nothing happened, of course. That's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

Yeah, it's it's a total right to start a citizens initiative. And it seems we're getting locked, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

100%. But we were told 4,000 signatures were needed. And then the next day it was oh, by the way, 7,000, it's 6,000. We're gonna we're putting a buffer in of about a thousand because of course some signatures won't be valid. As a matter of fact, bless their heart, there's been Apache County registered voters who have been signing them. So we've been finding a few of them, and so we need to make sure people know it's got to be a Navajo County registered voter. Anyone, there's a hundred and seven thousand people that live in Navajo County. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

And what's the website that we can go to and get all those locations? The website on.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Okay, Janine, that website is WMresponsible Development.com. Again, WMresponsible Development.com.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Okay, and you can get those l uh locations to sign those petitions in the next week, everybody. It's a big hurry. Keep it right here. We're gonna have more from them coming up on ITalk 1067 FM, the voice of the mountains. Stay with us. And welcome back, everyone. We're continuing our talk with rancher Casey Murph, uh Councilmember Robert Black from Holbrook, and Donna Wasichak all about these renewables and what they're trying to be thrown shoved down all of our throats. Uh guys, I want to ask um Robert in the break, you brought up a good point of how people really need to get a hold of the land estate lands because they're the these are state trust lands are going to ruin ruin with all this junk and they don't have to be dug out. So it's 4,000 tons each wind turbine of rusting, rebar steel, and concrete that will rot in the ground for time and all eternity. They only have to rub two feet of dirt over it. Oh my gosh. So, Robert, what what do you say about that?

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Well, I totally agree with you, Janine. I mean, people there's a lot of people that we have contacted now with these initiatives and stuff that that are still kind of well, I shouldn't say a lot, but there's a few out there that are still kind of on the fence. You know, well, I don't know about this. Well they're starting to wake up more and more when they're starting to see these things happening around them. And uh I totally agree with you on the state trust land. I mean people need to wake up and start calling their state representatives on this on these things that are going on before it's too late, because once it gets in here, uh y you we're not gonna be able to undo what's being done.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

No, and and you know what, we talk about the thousands I want to mention this point before before I get thousands and thousands and thousands of acres the t these take up, right? It's fifty-year-old technology, intermittent, it's not even great energy, right? And that if we are patient and we have a little bit of a bridge for just eight short years and we get a mini nuclear, a mini nuclear sits on five acres of oak five acres and it offers 130 more real jobs. And that mini nuclear will flood everybody with elevators. That's how big they are, how much power they generate. Or we can cover our entire ranch lands, losing our food sources, just our estate lands, ruin them and do we're so short-sighted, it's so stupid. Because these wind turbines and solar fields, they will be obsolete. They're supposed to live like 50 years, right? But we'll have many nuclear, so we know that. Why are we cutting our nose off despite our phase? And I'll tell you why. $98 billion that was crammed in the last 15 minutes by the Utah Senator who sold us out at the last 15 minutes, and it's over Northern Arizona. They're going to grab the 98 billion, all these foreign companies, they'll be gone, and we'll have our lands all littered. They won't even be used. They actually can build these and not even use them. That's the saddest part. Okay, so we're asking everybody, as you heard Robert Black, to write and call the State Lands. And Donna, do they have a s on the State Lands website? Do you have a place there we can comment?

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yep, there's calling and there's emailing. So email is PR at azland.gov. So PRR at azland.gov is where comments can be sent and emailed. There's a phone number, 602-542-4631. Again, 602-542-4631. And it is very, very imperative. I'm sitting here looking at this website, uh, going through the frequently asked questions. It's just basically land.az.gov is the website. It's just crazy. The Arizona Land Department only offers long term commercial leases for solar energy projects. Uh ASLD gives much consideration to existing lessees. That would be Mr. Casey Murph. Well that's what I'm saying, but it says it right here in writing, black and white. So I don't I hope they don't change their website now that I'm spotlighting this. And endeavors to reach an amicable solution. Have you experienced that, Mr. Murph?

SPEAKER_02 22:13

Oh only they've only said it. I mean nobody has actually made any type of offers to to mediate or mitigate anything with me.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

So it's land.az.gov. Yes. Land.az.gov. And everybody else too. Yeah, you need to be writing, calling, the boards of supervisors. They're going to try to tell you this is all for our schools. But you if you can ask, why can't we also have some planning and zoning of minimal protections? And that's with these two citizens' ordinances. Guys, when you're seeing the signs to be responsible and for these petitions, that's all we're saying is a half mile setback. That doesn't even do and here's the sad part with these, we can't stop these projects, right? But the ha now we can on state land. That's where we need to make those phone calls. But with the setbacks, just a half mile setback. And when they're remediating, having to dig down ten feet, I would prefer they dig out the whole thing. But you know, i i th the whole thing is these are going to destroy thousands and thousands and thousands of acres. And if it was so amazing, where are the commercials and the advertisements of how amazing these are? They've kept it very quiet, very and other seven counties caught on, and they've got these minimal protections. So that's what everyone's asking for here in the White Mountains. Just give, protect all of us little people too. They're not protecting us at all.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

And Janine, the state, the initiatives are basically signatures asking for the people to vote on it. That's it. You're not signing the petition and it's going to happen. It then will go to vote to the public in Navajo County on the 3rd of November. It'll be on the ballot as a as a question. Do you want to have the citizens to vote? One of them is do you want to have the citizens vote on each development that applies? The citizens would have to approve it. Every single one of the 17 people that are in 17 development companies right now, I believe, are in the wings waiting to put a shovel in the ground to get a development agreement signed with the county and then start building for this 98 billion dollars. So all we're asking is get it on the petition. Help us help us sign the petition and get it on the ballot.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Help us put it on the ballot. Of course, when it goes on the ballot, you know it's gonna happen. There's gonna be zing commercials from big energy. You know, you're gonna ruining your children's future, which is not true because and and also you have to question, why are they foreign companies? Well, the reason is it all over the rest of the country, they bankrupt within two years, and they they've actually admitted over in Apache, they say, hey, we'll only be here two years, with no one on the on the agreement uh for a managing agreement, no energy companies on there. It's crazy. No one's responsible after two years and they're just left standing there. So that's why we don't get the say the property taxes and they'll have to sue for them just like other. It it's kind of like it's it's a it's a big scam. 98 billion and then they can run away. That's and the developers.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Yeah. You know the developers? The developers do the building, and then they don't even have necessarily an electricity agreement with any generating station to take the power, the electrons that go from an it's intermittently operating. So uh on average, solar and wind operate 25% of the time. In my analogy, how many people in this world would buy a car, a freezer, a refrigerator, uh, a blow dryer that operated only 25% of the time? Yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous. And those developers, those developers literally will spend, let's say, a million, a hundred million dollars on developing these, they get twenty million in their pocket and walk away. And if there's no agreement to use those facilities that they built, then they just sit there without any any agreement to be s generating electricity to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

What a farce. And and that's the protections I'm talking about. You would think the county would want someone on the hook, maybe for 10 years, some big giant bank account, if people's property values all plummet, that we can go after, you know, some protections for the other people. But what they found in these big areas with these big turbines and solar fields, what happens is people's values drop, drop, drop, and they just disappear. If you look out in Chevrolet, if you look out in Chevron Valley and stuff, there were people that lived there, it's ghost town, it's just gone. So that's why the White Mountain Board of Realtors has kicked in and all these people are finally waking up and saying, Wait a minute, wait a minute, should I be buying up here or should I not? So that's the big question. And Casey Murph, I just wanna um what other thoughts, what last thoughts do you have for us today?

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Well, I just I think that that the people of Arizona should get to have a say on what the state considers highest and best use, right? Because the Constitution says the state land is supposed to be used according to the highest and best use. But that is that's kind of a subjective phrase. And I think we the people of Arizona get to decide what highest and best use means. And I think almost everyone, especially in our part of the state, is gonna say highest and best use includes wildlife habitat, recreation, landscape, and cattle ranching.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Right, right. Yes, amen. Yeah, that that would be best use for for our entire picture. And I will say too, you know, like um Andy Biggs is so concerned about our water, our food security. And when you look at the water these things take, that is terrifying. And I'm kind of surprised, and maybe maybe Robert Black, you can speak to this. I'm a little surprised that our friends on our Native American friends on the reservation that they are not screaming up and down about these because the Coconino aquifer is precious. Water is precious, and these take away tons. And I know they usually are very, very concerned about the lands, right?

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Oh, absolutely. If you've been watching what's been going on with that proposed data center up by um Lake Powell up by Page, I mean yes, the Native Americans are up in arms. They're catching on, they're realizing that these people are encroaching on on their lands too, if if they can. So not only up around Page, but but out around this area, they're starting to get more concerned and when they're seeing all these things go up.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Well, and also it's not just encroaching on their land, but but the water sources and ruining the Coconito aquifer with all of these because here's the thing, you can't tell me that 8,500 tumors of 4,000 tons each leaching slowly into the ground is not going to affect lands surrounding like the reservation lands. I mean, and affect all of all the water sources. I mean, it's it's really tragic.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

Janine, last week there was a story in that came out that describes how the Navajo Nation has declared a state of emergency for water. And if you don't think that's not going to ignite, I would imagine, I would hope the Navajo tribal members that are registered voters to sign these petitions so that the Navajo County Supervisors, Board of Supervisors who oversee the the agreements signed, then they will be have they will be given guardrails so that they these people cannot just come in and tap into the water source. That is depleting their aquifer as well. And also yesterday I spoke with a friend of mine down in uh White River and I asked how she's doing. She said, Oh, I'm doing fine, except that there's no water. And I said, Excuse me, what? So the even the the Apaches in the southern portion of Navajo County are having a challenge with water, and there's people watering their lawns and whatever, and she was so angry, and I said, Well, then you know what? Please help us get signatures on the petitions.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, and that's the whole thing is our Navajo um friends here close by, I know they don't want to see the coconut aquifer ruined. The I mean these waters affect all of us underneath, okay? And the water they take to put them in and to operate them. And I've already heard, and I'm not really totally sure if anybody knows about this, but some giant wells that are being dug to help support these things, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Yeah. And go ahead. Anyone hear about the big old wells?

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Uh I I I talked to uh a guy who uh did a water w uh a well pump for me here on the ranch, and he told me he's been working out on the the hash knife solar deal and they put in some gigantic wells, and I don't remember what he told me, but it you know, as far as exact numbers, but we we're talking hundreds of thousands of gallons that are being withdrawn for the hash knife solar installation. I don't know what they use that water for, but it's an awful lot of water.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Yeah, they have they take a ton of water. I remember the former mayor, uh uh Shelley Reedhead was talking about that is how much water they use. And and that's the big thing is the tons of water. Uh they and also just remember everybody, there's nothing green about these. They have a hundred and ten to twenty gallons of crude oil cruising through them 24-7. Okay, they're known to leak. Uh they can't freeze. So they have these giant diesel generators next to them. Now that's clean. So along with the birds dying and all the other problems, you know. So uh guys, think about these two initiatives. They're citizens' initiatives. Uh consider maybe signing this and slowing this role, just getting it on the ballot. You guys, thank you so much for talking to me today. Again, Casey Murph, the rancher that's facing losing his uh land that's been in for generations, Robert Black, councilman for Holbrook, and Donna Waschak. Thank you guys so much for being with us. You're welcome. Okay, you guys have a great evening. And everybody keep it right here. ITalk 1067 FM, the voice of the mountain.